Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlueGrace Logistics
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 16:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Just another 3rd party logistics provider. No indications of any particular notability of this company. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - It's notable as the largest company of the class on the Inc. 5000. Needs a lot of cleanup though, as it seems to have been created by a COI editor (if the username is any indication) LeadSongDog come howl! 17:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What, really, does the Inc. 5000 list tell us other than that the company has experienced rapid growth? That could easily mean that it went from really really nothing to simply nothing in a short time. Listings such as this indicate that a company should be notable (i.e. it might be a criterion to keep the company off of the speedy deletion rolls), but without other significant coverage, there's not enough in that one fact on which to build an entire article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment To WikiDan61 I disagree that any company can be ranked on the Inc 5000, as I feel attaining an Inc 500/Inc 5000 status is a respectable milestone for any corporation. As far as going from really really nothing to simply nothing does not accurately portray a growth of $1 Million to $63 Million from 2008 to 2011 (which was over a year ago). BlueGrace Logistics is among the leaders in third party logistics industry, is known as an innovator in logistics technology beyond its Inc 500/Inc 5000 position, and has developed proprietary software called BlueShip® which is transportation management system. JLJ13BG (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment To LeadSongDog I am unsure who created Blue-Grace Group as this has existed prior to my edits. My intention for my edits was to provide updates on the accuracy of the article (such as to correct the company title error, update current company statistics, and add any notable information. I will continue to monitor this to be a fact based article, with references, and remove any appearance of it being anything different. This is my first time making edits on Wikipedia; however, I do have an understanding of the purpose and will make sure that any information has proper orientation. Any suggestions on how to clean it up? Thank you JLJ13BG (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It was created by this editor, but that is really not the point. We develop articles based on published reliable sources, not just "facts" that editors happen to know (see wp:NOR). Very few documents a company publishes are considered objective and reliable on the subject of that company, so we look for sources with substantial independent comment (not just trade publications that routinely regloss press releases). This can be challenging for articles on smaller companies, but that's the standard we work to. The Inc. listing is, after all, just a number, not substantive comment. Has some other source published more in-depth on your company? LeadSongDog come howl! 15:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I do not know who that editor is unfortunately. Here are four other published sources, one of which mentioned BlueGrace Logistics along with C. H. Robinson Worldwide in regards to 3PL companies going into the Transportation Management System market. Article from Inbound Logistics Article was published by Inbound Logistics, which is one of the leading publications for the logistics and transportation industry. An article by the Business Observer formally Gulf Coast Business Review highlighted BlueGrace Logistics and CEO Bobby Harris. Article from Business Observer Bank of America recently featured BlueGrace Logistics and CEO Bobby Harris in their Small Business Community articles. Article from Bank of America Curated Insight also published an article on BlueGrace Logistics and its new approach in the logistics industry. Article from Curated Insight Let me know if these work, there are quite a few more, but this gave a wide spread from different resources. Thank you again for your help. JLJ13BG (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- BlueGrace Logistics has also been listed in Inbound Logistics 2013 TMS Buyer’s Guide that offers a best-of-breed shortlist of some leading TMS providers and solutions (section 'The 3PL Alternative'). Inbound Logistics TMS Buying Guide. In researching other current 3PL companies on Wikipedia, Coyote Logistics is a similar example of a company with relative nobility to BlueGrace Logistics with Inc 500/Inc 5000 recognition, 3PL services, young history, as well as has similar accolades from local Best Places to Work (Tampa Bay Business Journal 2011-2013) and CEO Bobby Harris has been an Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year finalist 2011-2012. JLJ13BG (talk) 20:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- New Source BlueGrace Logistics and CEO Bobby Harris was featured on the cover of Smart Business. Smart Business Cover Story Smart Business Article on CEO Bobby Harris and BlueGrace Logistics JLJ13BG (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Update Is there any update or resolution to the nominated deletion of this page? Does the above publication sources provide enough nobility for this company page to be kept? JLJ13BG (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- New Source BlueGrace Logistics and CEO Bobby Harris was featured on the cover of Smart Business. Smart Business Cover Story Smart Business Article on CEO Bobby Harris and BlueGrace Logistics JLJ13BG (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It was created by this editor, but that is really not the point. We develop articles based on published reliable sources, not just "facts" that editors happen to know (see wp:NOR). Very few documents a company publishes are considered objective and reliable on the subject of that company, so we look for sources with substantial independent comment (not just trade publications that routinely regloss press releases). This can be challenging for articles on smaller companies, but that's the standard we work to. The Inc. listing is, after all, just a number, not substantive comment. Has some other source published more in-depth on your company? LeadSongDog come howl! 15:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What, really, does the Inc. 5000 list tell us other than that the company has experienced rapid growth? That could easily mean that it went from really really nothing to simply nothing in a short time. Listings such as this indicate that a company should be notable (i.e. it might be a criterion to keep the company off of the speedy deletion rolls), but without other significant coverage, there's not enough in that one fact on which to build an entire article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The new sources help, but I'd like to give the discussion the full seven days to run its course. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you WikiDan61 I appreciate your review on this article. JLJ13BG (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Update WikiDan61 How will this be resolved? Also, if I organize the page the same way as Coyote Logistics, is this an acceptable format as well as would not have the appearance of an advertisement? I would like to learn how to clean this page up to be able to add notable information on the company, but make sure it is not an advertisement. Thank you. JLJ13BG (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The resolution of the AFD process is that at the end of the initial seven day period, an administrator will evaluate the discussion and decide whether the article should be retained or deleted, or if the discussion needs to be extended for more input to reach consensus. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank You WikiDan61 I will wait for further details JLJ13BG (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The resolution of the AFD process is that at the end of the initial seven day period, an administrator will evaluate the discussion and decide whether the article should be retained or deleted, or if the discussion needs to be extended for more input to reach consensus. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Update WikiDan61 How will this be resolved? Also, if I organize the page the same way as Coyote Logistics, is this an acceptable format as well as would not have the appearance of an advertisement? I would like to learn how to clean this page up to be able to add notable information on the company, but make sure it is not an advertisement. Thank you. JLJ13BG (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you WikiDan61 I appreciate your review on this article. JLJ13BG (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Spammy article for a smallish company, per WP:CORP. -- Y not? 17:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LFaraone 03:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Y I attempted to correct the spam by matching it to an equivalent logistics company Coyote Logistics. BlueGrace Logistics is a notable company due to its combination of being the largest company of the class on the Inc. 5000 as commented by LeadSongDog, having a wide range of published articles (local, regional, and national), is noticed for its movements as a technology focused and social media driven company in the logistics industry (both of which had limited or no presence prior), and is a recognized leader among third party logistics providers. What determines a company being large enough to be on Wikipedia versus being a "smallish" company? BlueGrace Logistics has surpassed $100 Million, is a part of every major circle of companies in the logistics industry, and is one of the youngest companies among the leading providers. Instead of proactively trying to have this deleted, how can we all improve the page and what information would be notable or worthy to upholding this notable corporation in the logistics industry? So far, all examples I utilize from Wikipedia pages are altered for being spam, but were directly mimicking pages that appear to have been accepted by the Wikipedia community. Thank you JLJ13BG (talk) 13:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Coyote article was purely promotional, I deleted it outright under WP:G11. -- Y not? 13:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Y Is there a page I could use as an example of a proper page for a company that is not spam or an advertisement that I can model after? I would like to edit this page to be a worthy Wiki page and provide notable sources. Would a section highlighting industry recognition be appropriate? I have been searching for corporate examples and several seemed to have a industry recognition section. Thank you JLJ13BG (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You might browse through for examples. We don't seem to have any A-Class or FA-Class, so that'll have to do. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Y Is there a page I could use as an example of a proper page for a company that is not spam or an advertisement that I can model after? I would like to edit this page to be a worthy Wiki page and provide notable sources. Would a section highlighting industry recognition be appropriate? I have been searching for corporate examples and several seemed to have a industry recognition section. Thank you JLJ13BG (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Coyote article was purely promotional, I deleted it outright under WP:G11. -- Y not? 13:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Y I attempted to correct the spam by matching it to an equivalent logistics company Coyote Logistics. BlueGrace Logistics is a notable company due to its combination of being the largest company of the class on the Inc. 5000 as commented by LeadSongDog, having a wide range of published articles (local, regional, and national), is noticed for its movements as a technology focused and social media driven company in the logistics industry (both of which had limited or no presence prior), and is a recognized leader among third party logistics providers. What determines a company being large enough to be on Wikipedia versus being a "smallish" company? BlueGrace Logistics has surpassed $100 Million, is a part of every major circle of companies in the logistics industry, and is one of the youngest companies among the leading providers. Instead of proactively trying to have this deleted, how can we all improve the page and what information would be notable or worthy to upholding this notable corporation in the logistics industry? So far, all examples I utilize from Wikipedia pages are altered for being spam, but were directly mimicking pages that appear to have been accepted by the Wikipedia community. Thank you JLJ13BG (talk) 13:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The new source from Smart Business seems to address any question of wp:N.LeadSongDog come howl! 13:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What source would that be, Lead? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- Oh, I see which one you mean: it's here in the discussion, not on the actual article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources I added some of the sources mentioned above to BlueGrace Logistics (those that were the most notable). I did not know what section to call it, thoughts? JLJ13BG (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- Oh, I see which one you mean: it's here in the discussion, not on the actual article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What source would that be, Lead? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Appears unbiased and not an advertisement. Notable by combination of sources and logistics leader, agree not just Inc 5000 alone. Sherwood10 (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Based on this edit, I have a strong suspicion that you are a re-incarnation of JLJ13BG. Closing admin should take note of the COI all over this AfD. -- Y not? 16:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Y I am confused, who are you connecting me with or what COI is on this page? Sherwood10 LeadSongDog WikiDan61? Those are the only people who have commented on this AfD and I have not spoken to any of these people outside of these posts on here. My only interest in this article was to correct it with a proper title. Once that change occurred, it was nominated for AfD. Since I have been trying to provide proof of the nobility of the company. I have made edits on the page to remove any marketable information and have added sources from notable publications that featured BlueGrace Logistics. I am fairly new to Wikipedia, but since learning about the editing rules through my discussions on here I have only presented information that is notable for retention and only on this AfD page for acceptance. All the information that was considered an advertisement I have made a point to edit or remove entirely. Now it is simply providing historical and/or current information with notable sources. I believe this meets the expectation of any Wiki page. Thank you. JLJ13BG (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Based on this edit, I have a strong suspicion that you are a re-incarnation of JLJ13BG. Closing admin should take note of the COI all over this AfD. -- Y not? 16:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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